Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Thursday, 04 February 2010 23:04:17
I'm looking for a way to be able to resolve Google services (search, youtube, etc).
I know about: Google over IPv6 - but at least to me the last paragraph sounds like "If you're not an big a** ISP don't even bother contacting us!"
I can understand that Google wants to maintain a high quality of service, bla, bla. But what if they'd e.g. provide an resolver that can be only queried via IPv6? That way the client has to be capable...
Or could SixXS help somehow? User-only-resolver?
Any ideas?
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Jeroen Massar on Friday, 05 February 2010 01:12:06
Already since April 2009 ;)
The only requirement for "Google IPv6" is that one has IPv6 connectivity and that one uses a DNS resolver which is whitelisted, thus using our Recursive DNS Cache Service will do that just fine.
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Friday, 05 February 2010 09:38:10
gngngn, I was suspecting I missed it when looking through the services.
Thanks for the hint!
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Friday, 05 February 2010 05:37:25
Actually an IPv6-transport-only DNS server doesn't necessarily fix the problem because a dual-stacked resolver may reach it and return the result to an IPv4-transport-only client (or more specifically a client with broken IPv6 connectivity).
I get why they're doing it. From one point of view it's broken, but apparently there is enough of a problem with faulty resolvers causing IPv6 timeouts that they felt the need for this workaround.
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Friday, 05 February 2010 10:16:55
I absolutely agree with you and was aware of those possible issues.
The direction I'm going is. "Where's the 'I know what I'm doing, just let me do it!' option and I'll fix things myself if need be."
As Jeroen pointed out it is there in the form of the sixxs dnscache.
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Friday, 05 February 2010 16:13:59
I wanted that option myself. I was hopeful that Google's new open DNS would have such a workaround for IPv6-savvy users, but alas they don't even support IPv6 transport yet as shown in the link.
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Tuesday, 02 March 2010 11:41:33
An IPv6 only server would be out of luck i think. Google;s nameservers only have A records, and IPv4 glue.
They did say on their faq that if enough tunnel users are interested in being able to query directly for the AAAA records, they might consider it.
I wrote them a few hours ago, got an answer back, explaining why they restricting it and such. To be honest, as much as it wasnt what I was hoping for, they did write back, and really quickly no less.
I wrote them back again, told them what my IPv4 address is, and all but outright begged to be allowed to query them directly for v6.
What I don't understand is, their concern seems to be that if IPv6 is enabled, users with just IPv4 or with both will have problems on their site. arin.net is ipv6 enabled, so is ripe, apnic, etc. Root servers etc have IPv6, if it would so get in the way, or slow things down, why aren't those affected too?
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Jeroen Massar on Tuesday, 02 March 2010 12:05:33 An IPv6 only server would be out of luck i think. Google;s nameservers only have A records, and IPv4 glue.
IPv6 only server works partially (because not everything is IPv6 enabled yet). Your DNS queries go over IPv6 to the recursor (eg the SixXS dnscache), these hosts are IPv4 and IPv6 capable, thus at least DNS works. You might get IPv4 addresses back for some services though...
They are being nice to ISPs, if they would enable IPv6 then ISP helpdesks would get complaints all the time that things are broken (eg because of broken 6to4, Teredo and other such things). Now that issue does not exist. Also, there are various NAT boxes with DNS recursors which barf at seeing non-A, thus for instance AAAA, records.
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Carmen Sandiego on Friday, 07 May 2010 01:32:23
I'm much in the same boat. The sign in the hallway says "Welcome to wsrcc.com population: 2". There is no way google will peer their dns with me, so I needed to hack it a bit. What I did was grab some IPv6 addresses for ipv6.google.com and shoved them into /etc/hosts with some likely-sounding hostnames that I wanted to overlay. This is what I have so far and gmail, buzz and search via www.google.com seem to go over IPv6 now. I'm no doubt missing some choice hostnames, but that is just a matter of running a long enough wireshark run to catch them all. Ok. I admit this is a bit evil, but what choices does google give us???
# add to /etc/hosts:
#
# get these ipv6 addresses via: host ipv6.google.com
#
2001:4860:8010::93 ipv6.google.com www.google.com mail.google.com gmail.com
2001:4860:8010::63 ipv6.google.com www.google.com mail.google.com gmail.com
2001:4860:8010::67 ipv6.google.com www.google.com mail.google.com gmail.com
2001:4860:8010::68 ipv6.google.com www.google.com mail.google.com gmail.com
#
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Jeroen Massar on Tuesday, 11 May 2010 00:10:16
And then google decides to change these addresses and everything breaks down. I do hope you understand what a bad idea that is....
Also, what does this help you in any way? Especially as a lot of content-heavy parts that google has do not live at any of the hosts?
You are thus only doing yourself a disservice by 'configuring' it this way.
You could for instance just not use the IPv6 versions!? it is not like they add any new functionality, thus you won't miss anything when using IPv4.
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Monday, 05 July 2010 23:06:13
it works over sixxs tunnel, goto ipv6.google.com!
Google over IPv6 anyone?
Shadow Hawkins on Monday, 05 July 2010 23:07:52
root@Egal-11:~# ping6 ipv6.google.com
PING ipv6.google.com(2a00:1450:8007::68) 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 2a00:1450:8007::68: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=36.6 ms
64 bytes from 2a00:1450:8007::68: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=36.7 ms
64 bytes from 2a00:1450:8007::68: icmp_seq=3 ttl=56 time=37.3 ms
64 bytes from 2a00:1450:8007::68: icmp_seq=4 ttl=56 time=37.0 ms
64 bytes from 2a00:1450:8007::68: icmp_seq=5 ttl=56 time=37.2 ms
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