Peering with Google?
Shadow Hawkins on Monday, 03 November 2008 19:02:53
Now that Google has offered to start peering with "smaller" v6 networks in order to get proper v6 connectivity going, I wonder if that was a good thing to do for SixXS?
Peering with Google?
Jeroen Massar on Monday, 03 November 2008 19:09:29
How would that affect SixXS, given that SixXS doesn't handle any routing between ISPs and thus doesn't peer?
Peering with Google?
Shadow Hawkins on Monday, 03 November 2008 19:36:09
Erm, strike the "to do" in the initial post -- the reason I posted it to the forum is that I'm unsure whether what is happening here is actually a good thing, so I wanted to see others' opinions.
Peering with Google?
Jeroen Massar on Tuesday, 04 November 2008 08:22:26
Afaik Google, or for that matter most ISPs who do IPv6, mostly peer with almost everybody they can find on their directly connected network anyway; I mean, if you are on the same L2 switch, then why would one not peer, unless you want to force people to pay for transit or unless you add extra ports to your router to accomplish the connection.
I don't see what you are really asking here ;)
Peering with Google?
Shadow Hawkins on Tuesday, 04 November 2008 19:29:52
In "Colitti-A_strategy_for_IPv6_adoption.Z8ri.pdf" Google states:
|Peering instead of transit
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|- Avoid bad routes by not taking transit
| - We don't have an IPv6 transit provider
| - But we peer with almost everybody
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|- Avoid suboptimal routing by peering with user networks directly
| - Guarantees better service and low latency
| - Since both networks care, IPv6 issues get fixed
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|- We're happy to peer with - or close - to you
| - Aggressive, user-driven rollout
| - Check peeringdb and/or email peering@
FWIW, I already sent them an email asking them to peer with M-Net.
Maybe interesting for sixxs:
|IPv6 Trusted Tester program
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| - IPv6 access to most Google web properties
| - Works by DNS resolver IPv4 address
| - If the user's DNS resolver is in a whitelist, it will receive AAAA answers
=> sixxs could possibly provide a whitelisted dns resolver for its users
(With e.g. dnsmasq you can say 'use resolver foo as default, but bar for *.google.com)
Also interesting:
Colitti-Global_IPv6_statistics_-_Measuring_the_current_state_of_IPv6_for_ordinary_users.xD5A.pdf
According to this paper 50% of the observed successfull IPv6 connections in their field test came from Mac-OS users behind an Airport Extreme, which Apple ships with preconfigured 6to4 routing.
Peering with Google?
Jeroen Massar on Tuesday, 04 November 2008 20:53:46 => sixxs could possibly provide a whitelisted dns resolver for its users (With e.g. dnsmasq you can say 'use resolver foo as default, but bar for *.google.com)
We are not going to provide a public open DNS resolver. We would then have to ACL that thing properly, which is nearly impossible with the user base where most users have dynamic IPv4 addresses. Note that most DNS implementations don't use IPv6 as a transport.
Peering with Google?
Shadow Hawkins on Tuesday, 04 November 2008 22:58:49 FWIW, I already sent them an email asking them to peer with M-Net.
you are way too late :-)
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They already do, started about a month ago
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